World pauses as Pink praises Michelle Obama

Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Partly anti-mulesing pop singer Alecia Beth Moore (Pink) took time out from her Funhouse tour in Washington last night to praise America's First Lady Michelle Obama for not wearing fur.

"Let's get political for a second," Pink told the estimated 10,000 in the audience, according to a PETA spokesman. "Since we're near D.C., I have to give a shout-out to Michelle Obama, who has announced that she is officially fur free. I love an animal-lovin' first lady!"

Seems as though Pink wasn't always an 'animal lovin' gal herself given her prior penchant for all things leather.


Newkirk 'runs PETA like a guru cult'

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

For 20 years, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has waged a brutal war in the name of kindness. It champions the welfare of animals with a flinty, take-no-prisoners strategy that has alienated a growing group of humans. Among them are the likely cast of hunters, meatpackers, dairymen, furriers and animal researchers. Perhaps more surprisingly, the list also includes fellow animal advocates, some of them former PETA employees, who complain of a zealous culture that has little tolerance for the squeamish.

``They're brutal on their people,'' says John Newton, formerly of Meower Power, a local organization that cares for stray cats. He uses the term ``cult-like'' to describe PETA. ``If you're not radical enough, they drive you out.''

PETA crusaders plot their outrageous, sometimes illegal antics from the organization's headquarters overlooking the Elizabeth River in downtown Norfolk. They often use shock, insult and even nudity as their hook.

The resulting press coverage fans the organization's recruitment and fund raising. It's that media savvy, PETA loyalists say, that has vaulted the organization into the world's most recognized and effective animal rights group.

Leading the charge and setting the tone is PETA's co-founder and president, Ingrid Newkirk, whose wispy frame and soft British lilt mask a will of iron and an unbending demand for allegiance to the cause.

``Ingrid Newkirk runs PETA like a guru cult,'' says Merritt Clifton, founder and editor of the national animal protection newspaper Animal People.

``Sooner or later, everyone who questions her or upstages her in any way, no matter how unintentionally, ends up getting shafted in the most humiliating manner Newkirk can think of.''

Newkirk is unapologetic. She acknowledges that ``we have disgruntled employees who've left here. There is a little club of disgruntled employees.'' But she says the people she's fired over the years were fired for good cause.

``It is true, I am tough,'' she says. ``I believe we should be -- and I say this at staff meetings -- a lean, mean fighting machine. This is not a rest home for people who just have warm feelings about animals.''

*The above is an extract of an article by Bill Sizemore of the Virginian Pilot. A prior extract is here. More extracts will be published in the future. With thanks to the author.


Former PETA employees speak out: 'A horrible place to work'

Monday, September 28, 2009

Sue Perna of Chesapeake went to work for PETA as a receptionist soon after the organization moved to Norfolk from suburban Washington in 1996. She says she found a high level of turnover and job anxiety. ``The tension was so thick you could feel it,'' Perna says. ``Everyone was so scared for their jobs at one point, we began to call the office telephone list Schindler's List.''

Firings came frequently and without warning, she says. ``It was done so capriciously and with such seeming zeal by Ingrid,'' she says. ``She seems to take joy in extinguishing people's careers.'' It's ironic, Perna says: A woman who has dedicated her life to fighting animal abuse is herself ``an abuser of the human animal.''

After a year on the job and several run-ins with Newkirk, Perna walked out. She remains a dedicated animal rights activist -- she was arrested two years ago for climbing onto the roof of a McDonald's in Virginia Beach -- but she steers clear of PETA. ``Many of us believe that the further we distance ourselves from PETA, the better off the animal rights movement will be,'' she says.

Sue Gaines tells a similar story. Gaines, who moved to Hampton Roads from Connecticut in 1996 to take a job in PETA's education department, says she found the work environment ``quite a shock.'' ``It is a very horrible place to work,'' she says.

During Gaines' tenure, PETA donated computer software to area high schools to be used in biology classes as an alternative to dissecting animals. At one of the schools, Green Run in Virginia Beach, a PETA protester -- dressed as a frog with its internal organs hanging out -- showed up with the software and was ordered off the grounds by school administrators.

Gaines got a call about the spectacle from the teacher she had been working with. ``She was almost in tears, afraid for her job,'' Gaines says. ``I went in to talk to Ingrid, and she laughed at me. It was of absolutely no concern to her that that teacher might lose her job.''

Newkirk denies laughing at the teacher's plight, calling the allegation ``dirty'' and ``scurrilous.'' As it turned out, the teacher kept her job but Gaines lost hers -- fired by Newkirk after a year at PETA.

`I think she thought I didn't have the guts to be a PETA person,'' Gaines says. ``I can't paint with a broad brush like they do. I don't think meat eaters are evil. If that's what it takes to be a PETA person, I guess I'm not one.''

Kim Bartlett, publisher of Animal People and wife of the editor, Clifton, worked for PETA briefly in the 1980s. ``I admire Ingrid in many respects,'' Bartlett says. ``She's done some amazing things.'' But she also describes Newkirk as ``totally confrontational. She doesn't understand the concept of compromise.'

Mary Beth Sweetland, director of research, investigations and rescue, who has been at PETA 13 years, says the attacks on Newkirk by departed employees are unfair and inaccurate -- even though her own sister, Judy, was among those fired. ``I don't think it's anything but sour grapes,'' Sweetland says. ``I think they need to get over it.''

Judy Sweetland says she harbors no ill will over her firing. ``Not everybody is cut out for PETA,'' she says. ``It demands a high level of energy and dedication. . . . They are unapologetic about helping animals. They take a hard, fast line, and that demands that you give 110 percent.''

*The above is an extract of an article by Bill Sizemore of the Virginian Pilot. More extracts will be published in the future. With thanks to the author.


New Zealand fashion week escapes PETA protest

Sunday, September 27, 2009

It had all the hallmarks of a PETA protester paradise: models strutting in leather, copious amounts of possum fur and wool on display and PETA's ambassador at large Pamela Anderson making a guest appearance to spruik her new label A*Muse.

But to a collective sound of sighs of relief the organizers of New Zealand Fashion week - which wound up on Saturday in Auckland - were thankful they were spared any PETA induced disruptions that routinely accompany such events.

No pie throwing; no unruly protesters taking over the stage and no tedious lectures or placards from hypocritical supporters.

By this measure alone the week could have been considered a great success.

Anderson's attendance at the country's premier fashion event did raise the eyebrows of some industry insiders who questioned whether the buxom blonde was the right 'fit' for the week. The words 'tacky' and 'trashy' expeditiously did the rounds.

(via our KIWI spy)

UPDATE: Some 'collected wisdom' of Pammy's in comments. Read on if you dare. (Via Devon)


PETA topless fishing protests on the nose

Thursday, September 24, 2009

Protests in Florida organised by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) against fishing have been met with a sour response and a call for the lobby to research its facts.

Topless PETA protesters donned green body paint, spandex pants and elaborate fins at a range of locations recently to lecture others not to eat fish.

But some locals in Naples were not impressed:

'I think it’s indecent exposure,' said Brian Belanger.

'They’re barking up the wrong tree. We catch fish to eat them. It’s not cruel. That’s what God put them here for. I can’t believe they’re letting them do this.'

The lobby is seeking to eradicate fishing and has been pulling ludicrous stunts and pushing misinformation on the issue for years.

'Fish feel pain and fear,' claimed professional activist Ashley Byrne from PETA.

Fish and Wildlife Research Institute spokesman Henry Cabbage however dispelled the myth that fish felt fear and pain in the same way that humans do.

'I suppose every living thing has fear sensations to avoid predators and danger,' the Tallahassee-based Cabbage said. 'As far as pain, it’s a little more complicated.'

Cabbage said fish likely experience an unpleasant sensation, but not anything like what human beings feel.

'They don’t have a nervous system like ours,' he said. 'Theirs is much simpler — it’s not complex enough to experience pain like we know it. It cannot be compared to what you or I call pain.

Cabbage said any research PETA cites stating otherwise is flawed.


More PETA violence

Wednesday, September 23, 2009

Violent vegan lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has smashed a vegan pie in the face of the McDonald's character Ronald McDonald when he appeared on stage at South San Francisco Day in Orange Memorial Park on Saturday.

The incident occoured in front of an audience of children and is part of the lobby's "I'm Hatin' It" campaign which seeks to pressure the chain to adopt 'controlled-atmosphere stunning' for its chickens. This method is currently not commercially viable or used widely in the United States.

Violence is a recurring tactic for the lobby despite claims it "respects all animals including the 'human' variety."


Lazy meandering renumerated

Monday, September 21, 2009

A PETA blogger, paid to assist the 'charity's' animal rights and vegan agenda, puts its donors money to use:

'It's a hazy day here on the Right Coast. As I watch leaves fall and steam rise from my soy mocha, the mood is set for a lazy...meander through gossip rags for fun stuff...'

Their crucial work continues.


Liz Hurley forks out the pork

Sunday, September 20, 2009

Stunning British actress and model Liz Hurley is selling her own range of organic meat at the Cirencester Farmers' Market in Gloucestershire, UK.

The Estee Lauder model was spotted proudly serving Gloucester Old Spot bangers, costing around £3.50 for a 500g packet. The sausages are produced on her 400-acre Cotswolds farm.

Market manager Simon Smith said: "Elizabeth Hurley has had a stall at the market since February, selling a range of pork, lamb and beef produced on her farm near Cirencester.

Liz was joined by her husband Arun Nayar and son Damian, 7, and will soon add organic snack bars to the range.


Naughty Kiwi

Thursday, September 17, 2009

A New Zealand chocolatier has developed a popular new creation: meat flavoured chocolate.

The truffles, created by Hungarian-born Hanna Frederick, combine a blend of dark chocolate and ground-up salty dried meat.

"There's this smoky taste to start, then a strong chocolate flavour comes in, and at the end you have this wonderful taste of salami," she told the Australian Associated Press.

She said the snack, which will be served as a starter to 150 people at New Zealand's Meat Industry Association conference, had proven a hit with men 'who can't get enough of it'.

In other murderous chocolate news a bacon spiked candy bar called 'Mo's Bacon Bar' has been a knock out success at UK department store Selfridges.

The store sold its entire stock of several hundred bars within 48 hours and is now ordering more for the coming Christmas period.


PETA Horse-drawn carriages campaign going nowhere

Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Months of demonstrations by radical vegan lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) against horse-drawn carriage rides in Central Park, NY has culminated in no ban whatsoever to the iconic attraction.

Horse-drawn carriage rides have operated in the park since 1935 however the violent lobby is against them and would prefer they be replaced by a fleet of electric cars. It claims horse-drawn carriages are 'cruel and inhumane'.

A PETA-speared public hearing on the horse-drawn carriages in January 2009 drew hundreds of people but the proposed ban went nowhere. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has argued that it would put hundreds of carriage drivers out of work at an especially difficult economic time.

PETA's push to eradicate horse-drawn carriages everywhere has seen it campaign far and wide across the US on the issue.

Two bizarre PETA supporters recently used their own wedding day as a platform to spruik the group's opposition to the practice.

PETA puppet and singer Pink has also added her crucial opinion on the issue:

'Every time I see a horse-drawn carriage in a concrete jungle, I point and yell 'animal cruelty' at the top of my lungs to try to make the driver and occupants as uncomfortable as possible....'


'Giraffe was murdered' claims PETA

Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Hyperbolic animal rights lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of animals (PETA) has offered its opinion as to the cause of the death of a Giraffe at the Franklin Park Zoo in Boston.

'He was murdered', declared the lobby.

The organisation made the claim after hearing that the owners and trainers of the animal did not prevent it from eating pieces of blue tarp.

'Tweet' the giraffe was eighteen years old and was being used for filming in the movie 'The Zookeeper' which is filming at the zoo. The lobby also claims this contributed to its death.

The American Humane Film & TV Unit, which scrutinizes the use of animals in films rebuffed PETA’s opinion.

Jone Bouman, a spokesman, said in a statement Tweet was properly treated, trained and handled during filming.

Bouman, whose group is known for the “No Animals Were Harmed” motto, said a necropsy showed nothing unusual, although comprehensive results would take a few weeks to come through.


News Bites

Monday, September 14, 2009

* Aerosmith guitarist Joe Perry has admitted he enjoys hunting to the chagrin of violent vegan lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. PETA mouthpiece Lisa Lange responded by accusing the star of having a small penis: 'People who take out their aggressions and frustrations on helpless animals are usually compensating for other shortcomings in their life,' she claimed.

* People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals are attempting to purchase ad space on Air Canada planes that would see a photo of a seal painted on airplane fins, along with a slogan on the fuselage. The attempt is part of its 'Ground Cruelty: End the Seal Slaughter' campaign.

* Milwaukee city council has refused a PETA offer to buy advertising space on the sides of city recycling vehicles. The lobby wanted the slogans 'Vegetarians Do It to Save the Planet', 'Meat Trashes the Planet' and 'Be Green—Go Veg' to be splashed across the vehicles. '...Meat-bashing ads would likely be controversial in a city where sausage plants are major employers, said Patrick Curley, chief of staff to Mayor Tom Barrett.

* Aging musician Chrissy Hynde of the Pretenders accompanied 20 PETA protesters outside a Salt Lake City Mcdonalds to demand the chain implements 'controlled-atmosphere killing' for its chickens. No large-scale chicken producers in the US use the method rendering the campaign pointless.


Body parts needed

Sunday, September 13, 2009

Money-hungry vegan lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) wants you to make them a beneficiary in your will:

We recommend bequeathing to PETA, what Ms. Newkirk will be bequeathing to others:

a. That the “meat” of my body, or a portion thereof, be used for a human barbecue, to remind the world that the meat of a corpse is all flesh, regardless of whether it comes from a human being or another animal, and that flesh foods are not needed

b. That my skin, or a portion thereof, be removed and made into leather products, such as purses, to remind the world that human skin and the skin of other animals is the same and that neither is “fabric” nor needed.

c. my feet be removed and umbrella stands or other ornamentation be made from them, as a reminder of the depravity of killing innocent animals, such as elephants, in order that we might use their body parts for household items and decorations;

d.That one of my eyes be removed, mounted, and delivered to the administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency as a reminder that PETA will continue to be watching the agency until it stops poisoning and torturing animals.

e. That my pointing finger be delivered to Kenneth Feld, owner of Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus, or to a circus museum to stand as the “Greatest Accusation on Earth” on behalf of the countless elephants, lions, tigers, bears, and other animals who have been kidnapped from their families and removed from their homelands

f. That my liver be vacuum-packed and shipped, in whole or in part, to France, to there be used in a public appeal to persuade shoppers not to support the vile practice of force-feeding geese and ducks for foie gras

g. That one of my ears be removed, mounted, and sent to the Canadian Parliament to assist them in hearing, for the first time perhaps, the screams of the seals, bears, raccoons , foxes, and minks bludgeoned, trapped, and sometimes skinned alive for their pelts.

h. That one of my thumbs be removed, mounted upwards on a plaque, and sent to the person or institution that, in the year of my death or thereabouts, PETA decides has done the most to promote alternatives to the use and abuse of animals in any area of their exploitation

i. That one of my thumbs be mounted in a downward position and sent to the person or institution that, in the year of my death or thereabouts, has gone against the changing tide of societal opinion and frightened and hurt animals in some egregious manner

j. That a little part of my heart be buried near the racetrack at Hockenheim, preferably near the Ferrari pits, where Michael Shumacher raced in and won the German Grand Prix

So what will you be leaving to PETA in your will?

(via a cheeky source)


Anderson PETA video banned

Thursday, September 10, 2009

A PETA video starring Pamela Anderson and her ample assets has been banned from being screened at New York airports after concerns the film is offensive to passengers with young children.

The video shows a scantily clad Anderson as a security officer only allowing people through the metal detector if they are not wearing fur or leather.

New York Post gossip column PageSix reports a representative for CNN Airport Network wrote to PETA bosses to explain the commercial is "particularly sensitive because children make up part of the demographic in airports."

Despite this the porn-promoting lobby still wants the ad to appear on in-flight entertainment which kids presumably can still access.

In other Pammy news the Barb Wire actress will be making an appearance at New Zealand fashion week shortly to promote her 'eco-animal friendly' label, A*Muse.

Local Mcdonalds and KFC outlets lookout!

(Via Paul, Sharky, AB and Karen)


Hushed PETA turning supporters into carnivores

Wednesday, September 9, 2009

A paid-up supporter of noisy vegan lobby People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is annoyed.

A letter was sent:


I've emailed twice now...and have not had a response.

Two animal welfare issues - serious issues - that I have brought to your attention have met with your regret that you don't help in these matters for whatever reason.

So all you do is dress up, or undress, harass and scare people and put up offensive billboards?

I donated to that?

Then you people are the extremist bullying vegan lobby that everyone says you are.

So I'm having steak for dinner, the dog's getting possum, and the cats are getting sea kittens!'


Fat shaming take-two

Just days after PETA Founder Ingrid Newkirk was forced to apologise for a billboard that compared fat women to whales the lobby has erected another one in Glasgow fat-shaming men.

The new billboard tells overweight men to 'lose the breasts'.

'With our newest billboard, PETA Europe is calling on the men of Glasgow to make a difference—both for their bodies and for animals,' declared the group.

After the last campaign sparked widespread outrage Newkirk was forced to replace it and apologise.

'Sorry for hurting anybody's feelings,' she claimed.

Readers of this site were skeptical at the sincerity of her apology with this new stunt clearly proving why.

UPDATE: Karen in comments: 'Typical of the cretins that are PETA. Gynecomastia (man boobs) can result from far more serious causes than over-eating such as testicular tumours, hyperthyroidism, chronic liver disease, drug abuse (marijuana, alcohol, heroin), adrenal tumours, renal insufficiency and even MALNUTRITION.


Lucky students

Tuesday, September 8, 2009

The vice president of extremist animal rights group PETA Dan Matthews will be at Michigan university this Thursday to lecture about the lobby's 'Liberation Project'.

The project includes displaying provocative photos that compare animal abuse to the human abuse that comes with slavery and other suffering.

Mathews will also sign copies of his book 'Committed: A Rabble-Rouser’s Memoir,' which documents the many times Mathews has been arrested in animal rights protests.

An Amazon review of the book: 'Rambling with no clear thesis and punched up quotes'.

The preaching commences on Thursday in room B104 - 8.00pm sharp.


Twitter stoush: PETA versus Blake Shelton

Monday, September 7, 2009

American country music star Blake Shelton has clashed with radical animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) on social networking site Twitter.

After adding the lobby as a friend the relationship last week quickly began to sour.

'Hello @peta2…. Allow me to introduce myself… My name is Blake Shelton. This could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship!!!' he initially wrote.

Subsequent posts:

PETA: Thanks 4 spreadin’ the word, animal testing breaks hearts!
SHELTON: So does a 30-06 at 150 yards!!!
PETA: 10 simple things u can do 2 make ur yard more appealing 2 wildlife
SHELTON: Thanks!!! Any tips on cooking them after I blast’em?
PETA: What’s ur favorite dumb comment?
SHELTON: It’s really not a comment it’s a word… It’s spelled PETA….
PETA: Only animals should wear fur!
SHELTON: Yeah, but they hide all the meat under there!!
PETA: There’s nothing funny about BBQing cats.
SHELTON: Ha! Ha! Sorry but when you say it like that it is damn funny! Ha!
PETA: Meat is Murder!
SHELTON: Yes, delicious murder….
PETA: Fish are our friends not our food. Sea Kittens have feelings too
SHELTON: Now I have a craving for fried catfish….
PETA: Impaling fish with hooks = cruelty.
SHELTON: Enduring that stupid comment = cruelty:
PETA: We don’t believe in hunting, anyone or anything
SHELTON: Me either!! That’s why I use bait to make deer come to me!!

But a comment slamming the military struck a nerve with Shelton and he tweeted:

Dear PETA.. Picking on our U.S. Military now? You’ve reached a new level of dips—ness!. Go back to fast food and sex with gerbils…

PETA: Feeling like a beached whale this summer?
SHELTON: More like a clubbed seal….

Another intelligent discussion from the group who wants your money to pay for staff like that.

UPDATE: The battle began in July. More of Shelton's posts here

(Via newshound Alberta Boy)


Naughty plant

Sunday, September 6, 2009

Discovered just two years ago in tropical north Queensland Australia this new species of the flesh-eating Pitcher plant chomps on rats, mice, lizards and birds.

James Cook University
ecologist Charles Clarke and a colleague found the new species at a swamp near the Jardine River but are keeping its location secret due to the small numbers in existence.

'They are only found in a few small areas and if we broadcast the location then there are people out there who would take advantage of that,' said Mr. Clarke.

Lucky plant: PETA can't picket it for not being vegan.


PETA versus the Zoo

Thursday, September 3, 2009

A Zoo in Edmonton Canada is being forced to defend its decision to allow an aging elephant to spend the remainder of its life in the facility after the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) demanded it be moved elsewhere.

34 year old Asian Elephant Lucy has been cared for at the Edmonton Valley Zoo her entire life but is now at the center of a storm about how she should live out her remanding years. The violent lobby claims the elephant seems depressed and has arthritis.

'We are asking for Lucy to be moved to a sanctuary immediately,' PETA spokesperson Ashley Byrne declared outside the zoo.

'She spent the last 30 years being used for human entertainment ... she deserves to be transferred to a sanctuary.'

Zoo veterinarians who have cared for Lucy almost her entire 34-year life, fear that moving the pachyderm away from her keepers will cause too much stress and push the animal over the edge.

An elephant in a similar situation was moved to a sanctuary after pressure from animal rights activists six years earlier only to die one year later.

'It could be life-threatening for her health condition,' says Dr. Milton Ness, Lucy's veterinarian.

At this time of the year, zoo staff say Lucy takes up to three strolls a day to a back paddock where she grazes and climbs hills for a couple of hours. Her favourite time is when she showers and grabs the hose with her trunk. Zoo keepers scrub her from back to front, while she submerges her paws in a special soap solution as part of the care for her feet. Elephants are known to form a strong bond with human carers.

'This is where she has been loved by people she knows,' said Edmontonian Ryan Watson. 'The people love her here'.

Lucy became the zoo's lone elephant in September 2007 when Samantha the elephant was shipped away to another zoo for breeding purposes.


Naomi Campbell: Why I kissed PETA goodbye

Wednesday, September 2, 2009

Supermodel Naomi Campbell has revealed why she parted ways with the publicity-hunting animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), stating she quit as spokeswoman because of the organization's crude tactics.

'When PETA started targeting (Vogue editor) Anna Wintour and (designer) Karl Lagerfield and putting dead animals on their plate, I felt that they went too far and I thought, I didn't want to be a part of this campaign anymore. (But) I do like wearing fur and I still do', she said.

PETA Founder Ingrid 'the most important thing you can do in life is to be kind' Newkirk remains angry at Campbell, a while back sending the star the following bitchy letter:

Dear Ms Campbell,

Please don’t get angry and throw something, but I hear that you are going bald. If this is true, then you understand what it’s like to lose your hair. Of course, for animals raised and killed for their fur, the problem isn’t just that their looks suffer...but that the skin is ripped off their bodies – sometimes while they are still conscious.

If you are balding, please seize this opportunity to make up for promoting cruelty to animals in the fur trade by promoting faux fur and natural fibres. You would look lovely in a synthetic hairpiece and/or a pretty cotton, elegant satin, practical linen or other hat made without harming a living soul. PETA would be pleased to provide you with examples of all of the above.

Very truly yours,

Ingrid E Newkirk


Naomi Campbell : I'd rather wear fur than go naked

Tuesday, September 1, 2009

Supermodel Naomi Campbell - once hired by radical animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to spruik its 'I'd rather go naked than wear fur' campaign is now starring in a new campaign for fashion designer Dennis Basso wearing pure Russian fur.

The ads feature the popular model wearing a series of coats made of Russian sable, including one image where she is pictured in nothing but a coat. Basso's furs sell for up to $200,000.

Beloved British tabloid personality and vegan Heather Mills has apparently labeled the move 'hypocritical'.

Campbell is just one of a coterie of PETA stars who behave in ways contrary to the lobby's agenda, but get paid handsomely anyway.

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